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Denis
A couple of points I'd like to make.
First, it doesn't matter what the Pistol looks like. The person you will probably be defending yourself from, he will probably only see the muzzle opening. smile.
As far as HP verus Ball, you wil have no problem with Ball, it has plenty of STOPPING POWER, matter of factly it has REVERSING POWER. If someone is coming at you and you hit them with a .45 cal Ball, it will lift them off of their feet and reverse their direction of travel.
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Denis
What you say is true except the part about the Marines, I have NEVER known a Marine to exaggerate.
Yes! you are 100% correct about traveling from target, you are knowledgeable about projectiles and that is good, real good and I am glad to know people think of that. I was not aware of your enviroment. Most people would not even give it any thought about what happens to their projectile after it leaves the target. They just shoot at it. Even HPs aren't going to stop unless you hit your target and theone thing you need to add into the Formula is Fear produced Panic. If someone is Hell bent in killing you, it is hard to keep composure. Therefore you want something you can handle quickly, instictively and effectively, accuracy will not be measured in inches but by how many hit the target. So for defense, it may be best to pick a smaller caliber, one that enables many rounds to follow the first and with not an abundance of recoil recovery time. Hand Grenades will usually work well too.
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Denis
It was a Pistol a M1911A1 to be exact.
I was practicing for a Match (Pistol E.I.C. was part of our Rifle Aggregate scores) and as I said I am not the Best Pistol Shooter, I was handed a Tin (840 rds) of Ammo and two M1911A1s and told to go practice, for I was having a flinching problem when shooting the 45, I kinda had a physological fear for them and so when I fired them, I flinched, I was to go and shoot until I didn't flinch any more. I didn't flinch anymore after the 500 rds. I would say you will get that Elbow jolt regardless and only if you were as dumb as I was to fire so many in a single day.
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Denis
Enjoy! and try to keep the eyes open when shooting. No matter what you get, shooting is always a great time.
I ahve a 100 meter Range on the land and shoot often. I have a Ruger Single Six I use when I am fishing, I will shoot at any target of oppurtunity, such as Water Skippers, Dragon Flies, Floating Leaves, Sticks etc. When doing that I do NOT use sights and because of the water, I am able to see and adjust. Sand Pits are good for this as well. Have Fun.
P.S. stay away from Egyptian or Isreali 45, the crap will barely make it out your barrel.
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Denis
I would rather NOT take a 45, for I am not an accomplished Pistol Shooter, I would prefer to take a Remmington 700 or my very trusty M-1A.
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DR and Denis
I have some video of Afghan Terrorists being taken out with a .50 cal, Sniper Rifle. It is about a 2.3 meg file and it shows the majority of one terrorists body, becoming extremely airborne after being hit at an estimated range of 700 plus meters. tell me where to send it.
I have fired the Bolt Action .50 Cal and there is No kick to speak off, due to a buffer and spring in the rear stock, like the M-16.
A Naval Gun will fire a 2300 pound projectile over 25 miles, yet the ship doesn't move, even when several guns are fired off of Port or Starboard at the SAME time.
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Denis
I NEVER said the .45 would send a Jap 10 feet backwards, Marines with the 1stMarDiv on Guadlacanal swore they were sent 10 feet backwards.
I have watched Gooks get stopped in their tracks and get sent backwards and I watched a film where it showed a Gook having his feet lifted off the ground and sent backwards.
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JDC
Sorry for the length, but noticed a prior message seems to have vanished, so I am adding the content.
Your reply is very respectful and very knowledgeable, except for your assumption of me and Science, what made you say that? I was not calling Science Wrong, for there are many factors involved and it isn't a simple Black & White situation, shooting someone may involve some Physics, how they may act once they are struck will vary with everyone who is shot. Overall, what we all can possibly agree on is when shot with a .45 cal, no matter what your size or intentions, you will NOT proceed too much further in the forward direction.
I made it clear in one of my posts, that I didn't know if a belt was hit, a strap or piece of equipment and I also made it clear that I didn't know if it was a human reaction, that all I knew it was from a .45 cal slug. We are NOT talking about DEAD hanging weight, we are talking about LIVE human weight. Humans have Muscle, Bone, Flesh and nerves, there is reaction, shock, balance, muscle spasms and reactions to add in the equation. I can knock a person off their feet with one finger and very little pressure. The human has 23 Pressure points and when using these points properly I can knock you to the ground with very little prssure. Women have lifted cars to save their trapped children, thanks to a chemical called adredeline. The human body can go into a self preservation mode or shut down mode for survival. So the question is why wouldn't the human body move backwards when struck by a BLUNT moving object? Why wouldn't the body react to the opposite direction of a force? If you place your hand on a hot stove, you move it in the OPPOSITE direction quickly. If there was a forward force (slow and blunt not fast and pointed) would you not react by going with the force and not putting up a resistance to it. I think Hanging weight really doesn't prove a thing. Humans have very complex reactions to different types of threats and these reactions in many cases are faster than thought.
Once again JDC, thanks for the very Civil and informative reply, but I saw what I claimed.
I was trying to be Civil when I offered to send some video footage of an Afghan terrorist, I wanted DR to see the Laws of Physics get ignored by a .50. I offered to show him evidence of what I claimed.
I am not arguing about the law of physics, for it wasn't my better subject, I am only defending what I have seen and what I have a video of, I have offered physical evidence to what I have said. The Afghan is in a prone position, on top of a rock and it is possible that the projectile struck under a portion of the rock and that created upward energy enough to send the Afghan airborne. Someone may study the video and have a bona fide reply, but to argue with me and tell me it is impossible without so much as seeing the evidence I base my assertions on, well.. Sorry, I don't buy it.
I have been shooting for over 40 years and for many of those years I was firing in excess of 30,000 rounds annually. I have seen a lot of strange shit when it comes to shooting. Some easily explained and some not so easily explained. Paper Targets react far different from Live targets and you can claim a person should die when shot any way you want.
Physics would say that if that the barrel was pointed at the target and you have good sights and good rifling then the target should be hit or rather the path of the projectile should be in the direction of the plane of the barrel. We were shooting Green Tip, A2 5 5 6 and every once in awhile, the projectile, at 400 meters would travel between two target frames. That showed a miss of about 6 feet. When asked how the shot felt, I said I felt it might have been a tad high for maybe a 12 o'clock V or low 5. The coach thought I was a bit hasty on the trigger and then it happened to another shooter. Now we were all baffled, how could a bad round cause such a degree of inaccuracy at only 400 meters? It turned out that the Green Tip we were shooting had a Teflon core, we concluded that if that Teflon core was not Absolute Dead Center then the variance in weight from center would cause it to spin or wobble out of course. We switched to the old A1 ammo and with the A2 uppers which had a better twist, a 1 in 7 versus a 1 in 12, we won the Match. We found what the other teams had not found and we kept our mouths shut.
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JDC
Was not able to go to either site.
My video is FOUR Sniper Shots and saved as a single video.
The video I have was given to me by a couple of guys who came back from Afghanistan. I have no means of knowing it's true origin, but I believe it is also on grouchy media which is a Military website, I have been meaning to look so I could post the link. I have watched it several times and I doubt it is Woodchucks. Video 3 shows a Shoulder and arm leaving the target area. the 4th shows the head of a Afghan moving about, behind a rock formation before it is hit.
The terrain looks to be clearly Afghanistan, but could be anywhere in the Desert Midwest with Rocky steep hills and rocks and boulders.
I have played them back in slow motion and even single frame them and I am pretty sure about the Arm and Shoulder. None of them are high in detail, due to filming thru a spotting scope. The first one is not great in detail either, because of the distance but I have watched it several times to see if I can see a Woodchuck, I can Not, I will admit, I can not see a human either.
I have hunted many a Woodchuck and other than a few stonewall chucks, I have never seen chucks borrow in that type of terrain shown nor have I ever seen a Chuck go so far from their borrow if indeed their borrow is further down the slope, at least not in Vermont.
If you have the true source verified, I would love to see the entire videos, although I am on dial up and would take forever. Until then, I will continue to say what was told to me, when I obtained the video.
I have some Iraqi shots too and they are very clearly Iraqis and not WOODCHUCKS or any other clean creature. I also have access to a video taken from a dead Iraqi that shows an Americna getting out of an Humvee and taking a sniper shot, he is sent backwards and down. After a few moments he gets up and takes cover. You can hear the Arabs talking giggerish and it must have something to do with the American is like a God or something. The American had his Kavalar Vest on and they continued to take out the Arabs and get the video.
The point of the video was in reply to what was said about a bullet and that it would go clean through its target and NOT set it backwards or stop them etc. So regardless of the video, it still proves that energy at the bullet is much greater than the energy felt by the shooter. DRankin deleted all of his posts, except for the ones where he came back as a jimmyraybob. So you are replying to only half of the conversation, but do appreciate your courtesy.
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DR alias Jimmyraybob
Last night on the History Channel, there was a show "History of Guns" or whatever, it was on at about 10pm on the Dish Network. It was about the .45 and it had a section about the Colt M1911A1 and I will quote what the EXPERT said "You can take a 200 pound man, hit him in the arm, leg, chest anywhere and even if he is energized, the Colt .45 will STOP him in his tracks" Now why would an Expert say something that is not true, in your OPINION?
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